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Wednesday, March 17 2010 - 06:17 PM
Kucinich Sells Out On Health Care
Kucinich Sells Out On Health Care After Ride In Air Force One
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, March 17th, 2010
Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich has bowed to intense pressure, culminating in a jaunt onboard Air Force One with president Obama, and decided to to flip his vote on the pending health care bill to help ensure its passage.
The representative from Ohio has repeatedly voiced his opposition to the bill, calling it “a giveaway to the insurance industry”.
“The fact is that one out of every three health care dollars goes for corporate profits, stocks options, executive salaries, advertising, marketing, the cost of paperwork – this bill doesn’t change that.” he said.
Just last week, Kucinich told MSNBC’s Countdown that that even if it meant he had the deciding vote in the House, he would oppose the legislation, effectively signing its death warrant.
As recently as Sunday, Kucinich was still reiterating the same points. In an column for the Cleveland Plain Dealer, he wrote:
“Even with the few modest improvements in the bill, the insurance companies will still have dozens of loopholes to deny care and continue to find ways to leave Americans with the unpayable bill.”
Today, however, Kucinich announced at a Capitol news conference that he will vote yes on the latest version of the bill.
“I have doubts about the bill,” Kucinich said. “This is not the bill I wanted to support… However, after careful discussions with President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, my wife Elizabeth and close friends, I’ve decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation.”
“I know I have to make a decision, not on the bill as I would like to see it, but as it is,” he added.
“I’ve had four separate meetings with the President,” Kucinich also said this morning. “When the President of the United States wants to have a conversation with you, you take that seriously.”
“We have to be very careful that the potential of President Obama’s presidency not be destroyed by this debate,” the Congressman stated.
“I got an invitation to go on Air Force One – given my previous record in not supporting the administration on many things, I thought that proper attire would include a parachute,” he added.
On Monday, Kucinich stepped aboard Air Force One in Maryland at 11:13 a.m. and landed 48 minutes later in Cleveland, having discussed the health care bill with Obama.
It is anyone’s guess as to whether the conversation drew upon comments made by Obama last week indicating that he will refuse to campaign for any Democratic congressmen who fails to support health care reform. However, Kucinich cannot have been unaware of the announcement.
Neither can the Ohio Congressman have missed the soft threat Obama directed toward Kucinich at a Rally in his own district Monday.
Kucinich stated that he was not offered any favours by the president, and that Obama made no assurances that he would push for a public option after the bill passes, a provision that Kucinich has long demanded.
In addition to a barrage of pressure from his own party, Kucinich has received harsh criticism from the so called Democratic “Fifth Chief Directorate”, the Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and Democratic Underground.
The day after Kucinich appeared on Countdown, Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas appeared on the same show, fiercely criticizing the Ohio representative’s threat to vote against the reform bill, adding that Kucinich should be subject to a primary challenge as a result.
“I’m going to hold people like Dennis Kucinich responsible for the 40,000 Americans that die each year from a lack of health care.” Moulitsas stated, before personally attacking Kucinich with taunts about him using presidential campaigns to score dates.
Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen has some interesting information on Kos and his ilk that sheds some light on their consistent attacks on any liberal figures that do not offer unwavering support for the establishment left and their corporate bedfellows.
Kucinich’s turnaround highlights the fact that, although he is the closest thing the Democrats have, he is no Ron Paul. His own principles, the good of the people, and the Constitution unfortunately come in a poor second place to the special relationship between big government and corporate America.
Sovereignty Soldier says...
I can only imagine what may have been said up there. Bribed? Blackmailed? Was his family threatened? What would make a man like this, who was just saying a week ago he would not vote for it, flip flop?
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whomeye says...
The nudging has stopped by the administration, now comes the shoving.
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whomeye says...
“I have doubts about the bill,” Kucinich said. “This is not the bill I wanted to support… However, after careful discussions with President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, my wife Elizabeth and close friends, I’ve decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation.”
I bet his family was threatened.
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fewenuff says...
Kucinich is on board? Tin foil hat and all? Just who I’d want backing my legislation. ROLLING EYES AND SIGHS…
The Precedent is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Wonder what he is going to do when the civil disobedience hits the fan?
MORE POPCORN PLEASE!
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No Spin says...
Brett Baier LIVE on FOX NEWS right now is kicking Obamas ass!!! it is about time..
Making him out to be the fake that he is..
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whomeye says...
Obama won’t shut up, nor answer the questions.
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AVSkyEye says...
Fox News being Fox “News” again.
The guy was rude and interrupted President Obama in ways we’d NEVER see Fox News interrupt Bush.
Fox News is such a joke.
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marino says...
AVsky: “The guy was rude and interrupted President Obama….”
Awwwww, poor Obama. Ya think he got his feelings hurt?
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AVSkyEye says...
Not at all. Obama handled the d-bag with grace, more than the guy deserved.
My point though wasn’t to compliment Obama on his handling of the little man; rather to point out the obvious bias of Fox “News”.
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marino says...
So Fox is biased right. All the others are biased left. I don’t believe you think all networks should be biased left.
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avbornbred says...
Was Kucinich wearing a blue dress when he got off of Air Force 1?
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AVSkyEye says...
That’s the world, huh? Fox vs “all others”.
As you know in life, anyone who has a problem with “everyone else” is usually the problem themselves. Such is Fox.
But even if for the purpose of discussion I accept your “Fox is right vs everyone else left” argument…why are only YOU saying that, and not Fox News themselves? Only Fox screams the ridiculous “fair and balanced” screed. If Fox is “right”, then why don’t they just say it, instead of representing their viewers as idiot sheeple who don’t know what “unbiased” means?
BTW, the reality is that Fox News is neither “right” nor “left”. Fox News is REPUBLICAN. The Official Republican News Agency, like Tass was to the old Soviet Union.
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No Spin says...
AV
Are you kidding me?? OBAMA Got slaughtered because he was not allowed to LIE his way thru an interview.. He is so used to milktoast interviews from his worshipers, re: Lame Stream Media, that he fumbled more than Donovan McNab..
OPEN your eyes SkyEye…the tide is turning on this clown and it is a beautiful thing to witness..
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No Spin says...
FOX News is 5-1 kickin ALL OTHER Cable news groups and the LIBS like Skyeye here simply want to toss the numbers away and stupidly CLAIM that the millions of viewers are not diversified..
LMFAO!!! That’s right SkYEye.. the numbers, which prove what the AMERICAN PEOPLE want from their news, are meaningless, because YOU KNOW they are all Republicans..
Come on SkyEye.. show come facts and then you become important.. until then, just keep reading Mein Kampf..
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Have Faith says...
This is why America is in trouble. “what Americans want to watch” is not news, it is entertainment. Unfortunately it is also often lies. Sheeple is appropriate. Sheepublicans.
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No Spin says...
HF
It was an INTERVIEW… same as ALL NEWS media do…and, on cue, a LIB attacks the event and cannot handle a real debate over the substance of the discussion..
If you watched it…
Is their a LIB ONLINE course that teaches this inability to discuss anything?
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No Spin says...
I bet HF loved the Couric Interview of Palin during the campaign, right? Or the Gibson one where he lowered his glasses?
Those were “Okie Dokie”, well done, hard hitting news inerviews?
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No Spin says...
And HF..
Since you are such an expert on FOX NEWS LIES… can you detail a few they have broadcast? I would love to do some research..
Thanks
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
News in 1950s = mostly unbiased reporting.
News in 2010 = mostly opinions and political spin with much popular culture and other useless dribble being disguised as news.
Internet = access to all the same mindless dribble as what the media are giving without their spin and opinions, plus a plethora of diverse opinions and points of view.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
No Spin check out the excellent documentaries “Spin” AND “Outfoxed”. If your open minded and want truth (even if that truth means people you like are liars), then you will not only see through the lies on the “left”, but also through the lies on the “right”.
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roxi says...
When Couric asked Palin what she would do as Vice President she didn’t have a clue as to what a VP does. Puleeze – spare us the memory.
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No Spin says...
SS..
I check, as best I can, most claims by any newsperson… and REFUSE to simply accept words as gospel..
OF course some aim directly at their ideological enemies, and I get that..
But when, HV and SkyEye and their ilk, throw everyone into the same pot, it is absurdly stupid to do so. It is intellectually dishonest to do so..
I can quote and quote and post sources that can prove your sources incorrect..
At some point we are all assigned the task of validating what we hear and see as truth or not.. That is all we have because ABSOLUTES do not exist..
The 911 stance is a perfect example.. I KNOW it had nothing to do with the US Government and you KNOW it did..
Good for you… and good for me.. we are invested…
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No Spin says...
roxi
So??? Is that the point of my reference?
In a word.. NO… try again..
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No Spin says...
1950’s News – Biased reporting camoflauged as news because there were only 3 TV Station and ZERO political radio shows, or the internet to dispute their claims..
Are you suggesting that Cronkite, etc… did not allow their ideological makeup determine how they reported? I stand in disagreement..
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roxi says...
I don’t know – what IS your point?
please explain.
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roxi says...
Gov’t ran the news back in the old days much like they regulated who worked FOR the gov’t, depending on what party was elected. Now we have private interest Corporations running the news-for profit. Either way, it’s propaganda.
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No Spin says...
roxi
SOME in here, who loved the interviews I referenced in my post, did not like the way Baire interviewed Obama yesterday..
Brett Baire ate Obama for lunch and it was great…
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No Spin says...
SOME of what we hear and see is crap and needs to be tossed.. I agree…
Shuffle thru it and get to what you have to decide is truth… it is that easy…
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AVSkyEye says...
I never get why the right cites ratings when defending the “messiness” of Fox News. One thing has nothing to do with the other. AMERICAN IDOL has better ratings than all news channels combined. So what? Means nothing; AI is entertainment, news is news.
Just because millions of people like to biased Republicans water-carrying fake news at Fox doesn’t mean its not the party hack biased crap that Fox is.
And BTW, I have no problem with there being a Fox News, or with people wanting to watch it. Just lose the “fair and balanced” nonsense. It makes you all look like idiots.
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AVSkyEye says...
Meant to say “newsiness”, not messiness.
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No Spin says...
Sky
You are extremly well versed on Liberal talking points… congratulations on your ability to quote passages from their manifesto.
FAKE News? Show me 2 reports that you call fake Details my lib pal.And yes, Hannity for example is very right wing, absoulutely.
Beck attacks both parties but hates Obama.
O’Rielly also has questioned both parties but does not like the direction this cabal is taking us.
Hannity and O’Rielly always have both viewpoints in their discussions.
We Report, you decide”… prove me wrong.
Then there are the TRUE Clowns on the tube: Matthews, Overbite, Maddows. etc.. TALK about Biased..
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marino says...
You can call is Fox’s Views instead of Fox News. Point is most of the country watches it as opposed to all the Obama ass kisser networks combined. And it has nothing to do with being sheeple. It has to do with the destruction liberals cause when in charge.(along with Republicans that act like liberals)
That, my friends, is because most Americans are slightly right of center.
Obama is left of nothing, as his ’07 senate voting record proves.
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whomeye says...
Have you ever heard of video manipulation? hmmm.
I have foxnews on daily from 8am til 7pm and never saw these. hmmm
I do enjoy the dc smiper one. lol
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whomeye says...
marino i only watched two. this man manipulated these to confuse those who don’t watch that channel believe that foxnews isn’t relevant.
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whomeye says...
marino, remember the videos you used to post up from onion news network? these videos are like those posted up now.
gotta love today’s technology.
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roxi says...
Spin: "Brett Baire ate Obama for lunch and it was great… "
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Speaking of lunch, I don’t remember Baby Bush being on “Hardball”…..now, that would’ve been juicy, rib-smackin’ good!
But then, lil’ Bushwacker couldn’t work without a script from his “Brain”…. the entertainment would’ve been more like an ‘appetizer’.
ha.
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marino says...
So an interview where Obama didn’t get his ass kissed? Gotta be kidding me.
Is there video of this?
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
03/18/10 – 06:12 PM
whomeye says…
Have you ever heard of video manipulation? hmmm.
I have foxnews on daily from 8am til 7pm and never saw these. hmmm
I do enjoy the dc smiper one. lol
This is the problem today. People refuse to believe anything that goes against what they were taught or that someone they like has said, even when there is video proof or documented evidence. They just dismiss it as faked. You could have a government expert testify to the authenticity of something and you would still get people acting as if they are smarter and denying what the expert says.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
I cannot view the vids right now as there is NO streaming video allowed at work. My point is though that people will deny or agree with anything that threatens their comfort zone in thinking.
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marino says...
I watched the Obama/Bret interview.
If Obama was on a dodgeball team, he’d be the captain. Also captain of the filibuster team.
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whomeye says...
ss, I saw the original clips on tv, however, this man manipulated them to make foxnews out to look unreliable with inconsistent statements.
What I see on these posted video clips are a lot of cutting on and off where this man could that the voice of the news anchor and add it to the picture/video in the background, making it look as though they were giving inaccurate statements.
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whomeye says...
ss, check out this video jay leno did on megan kelly. it’s so funny and looks so real.
AVSkyEye says...
Spin -
When I call out someone for using “talking points”, its because I read the exact same verbiage on a post that is repeated verbatim in dozens of other media sources. Like so much of the right’s spew.
My points are not common. You seem to charge “talking points” based simply on the fact that they are points…which you can’t refute.
Anyone who tries to defend Fox as unbiased is a moron. Period.
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No Spin says...
Hey Skyboy..
I refuted your feeble attempt at assasinating FOX news with your incredibly inept and incorrect analysis of a majority of their shows with FACTS about their schedule and asked for FACTS from you, which of course you do not poesses.
Let me repost for ya…
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“FAKE News? Show me 2 reports that you call fake Details my lib pal.And yes, Hannity for example is very right wing, absoulutely.
Beck attacks both parties but hates Obama.
O’Rielly also has questioned both parties but does not like the direction this cabal is taking us.
Hannity and O’Rielly always have both viewpoints in their discussions.
We Report, you decide”… prove me wrong.
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And next up….?? Let me have it…I am all a flutter with anticipation..
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whomeye says...
I’m still waiting ss’s comment to my proof that videos can be doctored up.
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No Spin says...
LOVE My liberal Brethren..
CumeByYa…
roxi has no substantative reply so she attacks Bush which has nothing to do with this thread..
lancaster hand picks video clips that she thinks are relevent… but cannot ARGUE any points ever with facts..
and then good ole skyboy..
FINALLY so desperate for any intellectual retort he goes straight to the MAIN Directive in the liberal manifesto..
When you are bereft of a factual response, because there are none to support your ideological bigotry, CALL your opponent names…
You libs are ALL SO PREDICTABLE..
Thanks for playing..
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Ray Cunneff says...
whomeye,
If SS won’t answer your question I will. Not only can videos be “doctored”, few people realize just how sophisticated and seamless the editing and dubbing technology has become. You can pretty much make people appear to say or do anything you want.
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roxi says...
03/18/10 – 11:39 PM
No Spin says…
LOVE My liberal Brethren..
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When Politics becomes Religion and Religion becomes Politics in the minds of those who believe this – then they feel that ‘their politics’ is above the Law because they are ‘doing God’s Work’; and are immune to slander and lies.
I am not your ‘Bretheren’ – nor do believe in your concept of reality, nor do I participate in your beliefs. The sooner you get that, the later you will respond.
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lancaster says...
whou, feel free to show us the UNCUT (LOL)
version’s from fox’s web site!
whomeye says...
Thanks Ray for vouching for me. I know you’re not a fan of fox, but I can 99% guarantee those youtube ones were doctored up.
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lancaster says...
it’s not brain surgery whou. u don’t even have to sober up and change out of your PJ’s.! go to fox.com and prove em wrong!
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PKShaw says...
Sober up? The strongest thing she drinks is chocolate milk!
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lancaster says...
then she should have no problems doing the research!
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Sorry whomeye been gone for the weekend. Anyway, that was a funny clip.
As for video manipulation of course it works and is possible. That is why there is NO visible plane in those 5 frames of the Pentagon. One can only speculate WHY they would remove the frames where the object would be visible.
ALL the corporate news channels and commentators lie to us. They are ALL controlled by 5 or 6 major corporations who’s CEO’s, I would bet dollars to doughnuts, are ALL part of some sort of secret group or society. Have you seen the one where O’Reilly goes nuts because the teleprompter isn’t working? It is hilarious.
I used to be a big FOX news fan. Even got O’Reillys’ book signed for calling in to his show. But I recognize the lies on their side now too. By the way, anyone know what FOX is in numerology? Check it out!
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marino says...
Perhaps during his ride on AirForce One, he witnessed another UFO and had a revelation. Anyway, I was beginning to have respect for the guy until he bent over for Obama.
(no offense to those that enjoy being bent over)
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